"Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
...

I noticed something on this picture. The other pics had some comments made
of what the line on the nosecone was, and my thought was some kind of
different material for infrared seekers, or gun camera, or something, still
assuming there was a radar behind the cone.

I notice this one has a smaller cone, with a port below the cone for what I
would think is FLIR, or laser designator (doubtful that, since it can not
see behind the plane, like designators need to do) or gun camera.

My questions are, does anyone know what it is for, and is there still
onboard radar on this variation?
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> I noticed something on this picture. The other pics had some comments made
> of what the line on the nosecone was, and my thought was some kind of
> different material for infrared seekers, or gun camera, or something, still
> assuming there was a radar behind the cone.
>
> I notice this one has a smaller cone, with a port below the cone for what I
> would think is FLIR, or laser designator (doubtful that, since it can not
> see behind the plane, like designators need to do) or gun camera.
>
> My questions are, does anyone know what it is for, and is there still
> onboard radar on this variation?

Recce bird, I would suspect.
--
Andrew Chaplin
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"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mitchell Holman" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> I noticed something on this picture. The other pics had some comments
> made of what the line on the nosecone was, and my thought was some kind of
> different material for infrared seekers, or gun camera, or something,
> still assuming there was a radar behind the cone.
>
> I notice this one has a smaller cone, with a port below the cone for what
> I would think is FLIR, or laser designator (doubtful that, since it can
> not see behind the plane, like designators need to do) or gun camera.
>
> My questions are, does anyone know what it is for, and is there still
> onboard radar on this variation?
> --
> Jim in NC

It's used for reconnaisance - mostly photograpy, but some infra-red too.
There's no radar in the nose that I'm aware of.

"Andrew Chaplin" > wrote on this variation?
>
> Recce bird, I would suspect.

Recon?

I noticed later, that some views of that plane have a port on the bottom
(looking aft, I suspect) a small glass port on the side, also, so I suspect
that reconnaissance would be a good guess.
--
Jim in NC

"Alan Erskine" > wrote

> It's used for reconnaisance - mostly photograpy, but some infra-red too.
> There's no radar in the nose that I'm aware of.

Thanks.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" > wrote in message
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>
> "Andrew Chaplin" > wrote on this variation?
>>
>> Recce bird, I would suspect.
>
> Recon?

Two military cultures divided by a common language: "recce" for REConaissanCE
(pronounced to rhyme with "breckie") has been the short form used in Britain,
Canada and most other Commonwealth forces since early in the Great War, and
perhaps even earlier.

> I noticed later, that some views of that plane have a port on the bottom
> (looking aft, I suspect) a small glass port on the side, also, so I suspect
> that reconnaissance would be a good guess.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
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"Andrew Chaplin" > wrote
>
> Two military cultures divided by a common language: "recce" for
> REConaissanCE (pronounced to rhyme with "breckie") has been the short form
> used in Britain, Canada and most other Commonwealth forces since early in
> the Great War, and perhaps even earlier.

Interesting. I did not know about that other naming, of planes that take
pictures and stuff from the air. <g>

It is interesting, how the English (and I use that term loosely <g>)
languages have taken on little twists and turns. It is not surprising that
slang is different, and I suppose acronyms are really no different.

Do you have a hard time listening to an American (I hate that term, since
there are a lot of people that live in North, Central, and South America
that are also Americans) speak, and understand exactly what he or she is
saying?

I have pretty bad hearing loss, and am about to take the plunge into the
land of hearing aids. If I watch a movie that has British people speaking,
I almost always have to turn the volume way up to understand the dialogue.
Same problem with listening and understanding in person, also, but not as
bad if I can do a bit of lip reading. I seem to have picked that skill up
without knowing I did.

I know it depends on where the Brit is from, and such, but I just wondered
if you had as hard of a time listening to people on the other side of the
pond as I do.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Andrew Chaplin" > wrote
>>
>> Two military cultures divided by a common language: "recce" for
>> REConaissanCE (pronounced to rhyme with "breckie") has been the short form
>> used in Britain, Canada and most other Commonwealth forces since early in
>> the Great War, and perhaps even earlier.
>
> Interesting. I did not know about that other naming, of planes that take
> pictures and stuff from the air. <g>
>
> It is interesting, how the English (and I use that term loosely <g>)
> languages have taken on little twists and turns. It is not surprising that
> slang is different, and I suppose acronyms are really no different.
>
> Do you have a hard time listening to an American (I hate that term, since
> there are a lot of people that live in North, Central, and South America
> that are also Americans) speak, and understand exactly what he or she is
> saying?
>
> I have pretty bad hearing loss, and am about to take the plunge into the
> land of hearing aids. If I watch a movie that has British people speaking,
> I almost always have to turn the volume way up to understand the dialogue.
> Same problem with listening and understanding in person, also, but not as
> bad if I can do a bit of lip reading. I seem to have picked that skill up
> without knowing I did.
>
> I know it depends on where the Brit is from, and such, but I just wondered
> if you had as hard of a time listening to people on the other side of the
> pond as I do.

I can understand most U.S., British and Irish dialects with little difficulty
because I speak also French and Spanish, and have a smattering of German and
Arabic. My parents exposed me to U.K. accents from an early age through the
CBC radio programme "Postmark: U.K." and I listened to the Beeb whenever I was
abroad to get current news. Lowland Scots, Newfoundland baywopper, Strine and
Cajun can be challenging, but I understand them readily enough if I have the
context. I suppose the same might go for the dialects of the urban underclass
of Los Angeles and New York. I spent enough time working with U.S. forces that
many of the more difficult accents (I'm thinking of those from south of the
Mason-Dixon Line and east of the Mississippi) no longer present a mystery.
Gullah, however, remains difficult for me because I do not know enough about
the African languages from which it comes and rarely get to hear it in
broadcasts. Subcontinental English, i.e. that of India and Pakistan, takes
some getting used to because of subtle differences in diction, but it's not
impenetrable.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

"Andrew Chaplin" > wrote

> Subcontinental English, i.e. that of India and Pakistan, takes some
> getting used to because of subtle differences in diction, but it's not
> impenetrable.
You must have a much better ear than me.

If I get an India or Pakistan Tec help line, I ask if they can switch me to
a native English speaker, and if not, I thank them and hang up. I simply
can not understand what they are saying, with my hearing deficit as a large
part of the problem.

I had a whole battery of test in something like the 6th grade, because I was
not doing as well in school as my parents thought I should. I tested out
with a high IQ, and my parents were told that I needed better study habits,
and that I was bored and needed more challenge.

A few years later, after I was out of HS, my parents saw the person who gave
the test, and commented that I had done pretty well in school, except for
foreign languages, the person said, "Oh, he should have never taken them.
He does not hear some of the hard letter sounds well enough to pick up a
foreign language."

Oh, thanks. It would have been nice to tell the parents that, before the
problems.

And get this. I have an excellent music ear, and ended up majoring in
music! Whatever problem I have does not prohibit me from hearing
instrumental music.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Andrew Chaplin" > wrote
>
>> Subcontinental English, i.e. that of India and Pakistan, takes some getting
>> used to because of subtle differences in diction, but it's not
>> impenetrable.
> You must have a much better ear than me.
>
> If I get an India or Pakistan Tec help line, I ask if they can switch me to
> a native English speaker, and if not, I thank them and hang up. I simply
> can not understand what they are saying, with my hearing deficit as a large
> part of the problem.
>
> I had a whole battery of test in something like the 6th grade, because I was
> not doing as well in school as my parents thought I should. I tested out
> with a high IQ, and my parents were told that I needed better study habits,
> and that I was bored and needed more challenge.
>
> A few years later, after I was out of HS, my parents saw the person who gave
> the test, and commented that I had done pretty well in school, except for
> foreign languages, the person said, "Oh, he should have never taken them. He
> does not hear some of the hard letter sounds well enough to pick up a
> foreign language."
>
> Oh, thanks. It would have been nice to tell the parents that, before the
> problems.
>
> And get this. I have an excellent music ear, and ended up majoring in
> music! Whatever problem I have does not prohibit me from hearing
> instrumental music.

I was artillery, working on the gunline, in the CP and at the OP for the first
decade of my service, then in AD units thereafter. I was caught only once on
the gunline without hearing protection. The greater hazard than the guns was
actually the radios, especially when one had to operate without squelch. Most
of my time as AD was as an officer in missile batteries, and we rarely got
close enough to things going "BOOM" and "WHOOSH" to be in any more danger than
a REMF. I transferred from the regs to the reserve after 23 years with pretty
much the same hearing as I came in with: H1.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

"Morgans" > wrote in
:

>
> "Andrew Chaplin" > wrote
>>
>> Two military cultures divided by a common language: "recce" for
>> REConaissanCE (pronounced to rhyme with "breckie") has been the short
>> form used in Britain, Canada and most other Commonwealth forces since
>> early in the Great War, and perhaps even earlier.
>
> Interesting. I did not know about that other naming, of planes that
> take
> pictures and stuff from the air. <g>
>
> It is interesting, how the English (and I use that term loosely <g>)
> languages have taken on little twists and turns. It is not surprising
> that slang is different, and I suppose acronyms are really no
> different.
>
> Do you have a hard time listening to an American (I hate that term,
> since there are a lot of people that live in North, Central, and South
> America that are also Americans) speak, and understand exactly what he
> or she is saying?
>
> I have pretty bad hearing loss, and am about to take the plunge into
> the land of hearing aids. If I watch a movie that has British people
> speaking, I almost always have to turn the volume way up to understand
> the dialogue. Same problem with listening and understanding in person,
> also, but not as bad if I can do a bit of lip reading. I seem to have
> picked that skill up without knowing I did.
>
> I know it depends on where the Brit is from, and such, but I just
> wondered if you had as hard of a time listening to people on the other
> side of the pond as I do.

My sister has a Scottish friend that pops across the pond (and the
continent) every now and then for a visit. On a good day, I can catch
about every fifth word, and spend the rest of the time wishing he came
with subtitles...

But then, I can't pull the lyrics out of most songs, and usually do have
the subtitles on for 'Dr Who'.

Bloody 'ell.

Bob ^,,^

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:52:19 GMT, Bob Harrington
> wrote:

>"Morgans" > wrote in
:
>
>>
>> "Andrew Chaplin" > wrote
>>>
>>> Two military cultures divided by a common language: "recce" for
>>> REConaissanCE (pronounced to rhyme with "breckie") has been the short
>>> form used in Britain, Canada and most other Commonwealth forces since
>>> early in the Great War, and perhaps even earlier.
>>
>> Interesting. I did not know about that other naming, of planes that
>> take
>> pictures and stuff from the air. <g>
>>
>> It is interesting, how the English (and I use that term loosely <g>)
>> languages have taken on little twists and turns. It is not surprising
>> that slang is different, and I suppose acronyms are really no
>> different.
>>
>> Do you have a hard time listening to an American (I hate that term,
>> since there are a lot of people that live in North, Central, and South
>> America that are also Americans) speak, and understand exactly what he
>> or she is saying?
>>
>> I have pretty bad hearing loss, and am about to take the plunge into
>> the land of hearing aids. If I watch a movie that has British people
>> speaking, I almost always have to turn the volume way up to understand
>> the dialogue. Same problem with listening and understanding in person,
>> also, but not as bad if I can do a bit of lip reading. I seem to have
>> picked that skill up without knowing I did.
>>
>> I know it depends on where the Brit is from, and such, but I just
>> wondered if you had as hard of a time listening to people on the other
>> side of the pond as I do.
>
>My sister has a Scottish friend that pops across the pond (and the
>continent) every now and then for a visit. On a good day, I can catch
>about every fifth word, and spend the rest of the time wishing he came
>with subtitles...
>
>But then, I can't pull the lyrics out of most songs, and usually do have
>the subtitles on for 'Dr Who'.

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"I got in a tiff with Riley."
"Riley? He's just a wee fellow," the barkeep said, surprised.
"He must have had something in his hand."
"That he did," Kelly said. "A shovel it was."
"Dear Lord. Didn't you have anything in your hand?"
"Aye, that I did -- Mrs. Riley's tit." Kelly said. "And a beautiful thing it was, but not much use in a fight."

Peter Hucker > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:52:19 GMT, Bob Harrington
> > wrote:
>
>>"Morgans" > wrote in
:
>>
>>>
>>> "Andrew Chaplin" > wrote
>>>>
>>>> Two military cultures divided by a common language: "recce" for
>>>> REConaissanCE (pronounced to rhyme with "breckie") has been the short
>>>> form used in Britain, Canada and most other Commonwealth forces since
>>>> early in the Great War, and perhaps even earlier.
>>>
>>> Interesting. I did not know about that other naming, of planes that
>>> take
>>> pictures and stuff from the air. <g>
>>>
>>> It is interesting, how the English (and I use that term loosely <g>)
>>> languages have taken on little twists and turns. It is not surprising
>>> that slang is different, and I suppose acronyms are really no
>>> different.
>>>
>>> Do you have a hard time listening to an American (I hate that term,
>>> since there are a lot of people that live in North, Central, and South
>>> America that are also Americans) speak, and understand exactly what he
>>> or she is saying?
>>>
>>> I have pretty bad hearing loss, and am about to take the plunge into
>>> the land of hearing aids. If I watch a movie that has British people
>>> speaking, I almost always have to turn the volume way up to understand
>>> the dialogue. Same problem with listening and understanding in person,
>>> also, but not as bad if I can do a bit of lip reading. I seem to have
>>> picked that skill up without knowing I did.
>>>
>>> I know it depends on where the Brit is from, and such, but I just
>>> wondered if you had as hard of a time listening to people on the other
>>> side of the pond as I do.
>>
>>My sister has a Scottish friend that pops across the pond (and the
>>continent) every now and then for a visit. On a good day, I can catch
>>about every fifth word, and spend the rest of the time wishing he came
>>with subtitles...
>>
>>But then, I can't pull the lyrics out of most songs, and usually do have
>>the subtitles on for 'Dr Who'.
>
> http://hucker.plus.com/videos/People/138.wmv

Doorrgghh!

That's a keeper! =}

"Bob Harrington" > wrote
>
> But then, I can't pull the lyrics out of most songs, and usually do have
> the subtitles on for 'Dr Who'.

LOL !

Damn, that's funny!

But those subtitles are a great idea that I never thought of!

For me, it's in the ear headphones. (really good high frequency really
helps)

For those who have never tried them, Phillips makes a set of active noise
canceling in the ear headsets, reasonably priced.

They have good passive noise protection, and the active portion kicks the
bass and treble up, noticeably.

They have 3 different rubber tip sizes, and are the most comfortable in the
ear headset short of custom molded sets on the market, IMHO.

Try 'em, you'll like "em.

yada - yada, not affiliated with Phillips, ect, ect.
--
Jim in NC